is community service an effective punishment

National Service now, more than any other time would create a atmosphere were all colours, creed and religion have to work together or go to prison. The rest was taken up drinking tea , lunch and waiting for supervivors to turn up. There is,of course, no reason why community service shouldn't work in a disciplined society. Firstly there is no bail system, monetary fines for petty crime must be paid either by the criminal or his family before he is released. Complain about this comment (Comment number 93). AndyC555 wrote:A look at documentaries of other countries (including the US) show prisoners in cells with multiple prisoners, no TVs, no playstations, no pandering.Can anyone, please, tell me why we shouldn't have that here?Probably because their crime rates are more often than not several times higher than ours.The murder rate per capita is three times higher in the United States than in the UK and their rape rate per capita is double that of the UK.Only an idiot would want to copy the United States justice system, unless of course you want to increase our serious crime rates to bring them into line with theirs.Regardless of the lies and propaganda spread by our tabloids the United Kingdom remains one of the safest places to live and you are far less likely to be the victim of crime here than in most other countries. I think community service is a good punishment. When a crime is particularly serious, prison will rightly be regarded by the courts as the only viable sentencing option. This community service scam is the thin end of the wedge. Also keep them under guard at all times. We need to better define what warrants a prison term and what is better dealt by some other method. Complain about this comment (Comment number 36). Given the cost of incarceration,Community Service is an excellent alternative to prison providing its correctly supervised,& represents a real opportunity for offenders to give something back to society & make reparation thereof.For first time offenders & general non-violent crimes,it should always be considered as a primary option in sentencing.I've no objection to the odd tea break being allowed,once tasks are completed,or seen to be on schedule for the day by a competent supervisor in charge. Of course it doesnt, most people sentenced to community service have no respect for the law in the first place so why would they have any respect for what is a sop to the PC do-gooders and professional apologists?Only yesterday a man was sentenced to 4 years for stabbing someone to death with a pair of scissors in Glasgow, I'm no expert but what does that mean - out in two? The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Community sentences . "A year-long study of the first cohort that went through the programme, which was founded in Massachusetts in 1991, found that only 19% had reoffended compared with 42% in a control group.". If you give people an excuse, they will use it.Poverty may explain criminal activity in some cases, but it does not excuse it. Complain about this comment (Comment number 46). Their productivity is several times greater than most of the council operatives who I see lounging against their trucks with their hands in their pockets and who clear off home at 3pm sharp every day except Friday, when lunchtime signals the end of their "working" week. Don't know the figures for re-offending after community service but judging from the news reports it does not look like punishment. Post 53..So why does USA with a population 5 times that of the UK have 35 times as many people in prison?Because they are not so soft on crime.Who cares what the % is.Just lock them up for longer or for good, criminals would soon get the message.Because re-offending is so high, doesn't that tell you something.How many more committees do we need looking into this, its not rocket science. Anything else ought to be subject to the usual sanctions, which presumably must be available to administrators of the project.Lets treat this report as an incentive to manage the scheme better,rather than revert to a 'knee jerk' reaction, sending more offenders into our overcrowded prisons,& running the real risk of them being hardened into worse criminals by virtue of what they've experienced within them. Well certainly in the three areas highlighted by this documentary it seems not to be working. It's better than spending money on schools, parks, libraries, roads, etc. It seems to work quite well in this area. All these posts saying "bring back Victorian/American prisons and punishments, THAT would deter them! Why not use this punitive pool of penal labour to undertake the work, which would be of real benefit to the nation, and would slash the enormous cost of restoring our damaged footpaths. Complain about this comment (Comment number 2). Let the government take a bite out of her life at the loss of her job, home, family and loved ones.. Let her as well be forced to live on the streets with nothing, and doing anything to stay alive. It seems to work quite well in this area. I think community service is a good punishment. If the owner of the car is in full time employment he is already doing 40 hours work a week anyway. Complain about this comment (Comment number 32). On the other hand, where we need work done- painting an old peoples' home for example, the residents don't trust the people near their homes as they think they are crooks!I personally think that community payback is a good idea. Complain about this comment (Comment number 30). Do our enforcers, advocates, judges and service supervisors know what the process is expected to produce?I will reserve my judgement on community service until essential procedural reforms are in operation. She wants the current system to be radically changed.If community service is to work properly it has to be run properly, which by all accounts that isn'y happening at the moment.Community Service is cheaper than prison, but it should be properly overseen, which it is not, and with all the proposed cutbacks looming this isn't likely to get better untill someone with a modicom of common sence gets involved.So, short answer: No, it isn't working as it should, or as it could. Does community service work?Sorry, no idea.I don't live that lifestyle and I don't move in those circles.I could just regurgitate something I read in the Mail - but that doesn't really count as an opinion, does it? Unfortunately, we don't have one. The Director of BOSCAR, Don Weatherburn, believes that although the difference in reoffending rates may be small, the difference is probably larger than what the figures suggest. Corporal Punishment. Other countries resolve prison overcrowding by secondment to commercial contractors owned by their government to do hard labour without pay but may be compensated only at the end of his/her term.My point is that none of these countries use Community Service as a means of punishment because it doesn't work, they simply abscond to carry on their unlawful activities. They should be assigned tasks that normally get paid for with public money such as grafitti removal.So no, it didnt seem to be working. Complain about this comment (Comment number 11). Why do they keep on lying? --------Please let me know the location of this situation so that I can apply for a job my local authority expect a full days work (or more) for a full days pay (or less).Or does it just exist in your imagination or the pages of the Daily Mail? Complain about this comment (Comment number 61). 34 The Ghosts of John GaltIt seems you are against any attempt to save the taxpayers £27000 per year per prisoner by finding other methods of punishment apart from keeping them locked up.Some do see work as a form of punishment hence so many trying to avoid it and none of us live to work we only work to live. This is because community service is not harsh enough to educate and rehabilitate the offenders compare to imprisonment. I would say it is farily obvious, from the report on the BBC website and comments made by those 'sentenced' to community service, it is a complete failure.The sentence seems to be more of a pass time to most of those charged. A bigger population needs more jails. Complain about this comment (Comment number 3). Complain about this comment (Comment number 24). Complain about this comment (Comment number 25). At 9:14pm on 02 Sep 2010, Alan wrote:I would like to see young criminals sent to a boot camp, ran by the Army and taught disipline and team work"Against their human rights.-------No just an exceptionally expensive waste of time and resources.It's discipline by the way! The majority of petty crime has little to do with poverty, more to do with a lack of respect for others, and often self respect. You cannot fail to punish convicted criminals simply because the system can't cope, whether that be incarceration or community sentences. That makes you hardly different from the criminals, doesn't it. But the four experimental centres failed to have any impact on re-offending and were criticised for simply turning out fitter criminals.So expensive and didn't work. New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers University Press. This means that minor criminals are neither being punished nor reformed.It's an easy option for politicians, judges and magistrates - a tick in the box, no great cost, problem gone away. Community service is not an adequate punishment for the offenders. ?Perhaps thats the wrong question - perhaps the right question is how do you change society enough to try some really different things - things that perhaps have been done in the past but have been abandoned for various reasons -Perhaps as long as the press provides knee jerk responses change will not be possible. Complain about this comment (Comment number 44). Should there be wider use of community service rather than using short prison sentences? really lol! (Not the party, I'm not that hard). If the imprisonment includes hard labour such as road or bridge repairing, that is put into effect by chain gangs, yes chain gangs, all under strict supervision. At least community service gives the criminals a good chance to look at where their next job might be.This country is fast becoming the laughing stock of the rest of the world, that's if we aren't already.The good old liberal minded strike again. Likewise I don't know what would be if these low lifes were birched instead. Is Community Service an Effective Punishment? Complain about this comment (Comment number 35). It is evidence current processes are deeply flawed.What does a community service order seek to achieve? Complain about this comment (Comment number 92). It is not simply a question of 'punishment' but a matter of rehabilitation and integration of criminals into society. Punishment and Deterrence: Offenders must realise that crime does not pay and that their actions will lead to a stern consequence. The BOCSAR study compared the reoffending rates of defendants given good behaviour bonds to those given CSOs. I bet they could make a programme about how bad fluffy pillows are if they tried.As to the question does community service work - well like most things, it does for some and it doesn't for others. Is it that fundamentally, you just get off on the idea of punishment, pain, retribution etc., even when it would make things worse, not better? Complain about this comment (Comment number 94). Many offenders given a community sentence must also abide by strict curfews or … Under the Crimes (Sentencing and Procedure) Act, they can involve up to 500 hours of work in the community. Bring back national service, thats the answer. Surely, using work as a form of punishment does absolutely nothing to provide an association of work as a positive activity? Australian Institute of Criminology study, Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research study, The Offences of Child Sexual Assault and Incest in New South Wales, Rugby League Players Avoid Criminal Convictions for Obscene Exposure, Prison Inmates Will Be Released Early Amidst Coronavirus Fears, Downing Centre District Court to Deliver Justice Over Tragic Hospital Mix-Up. As we cannot control many pupils in our schools, I find it difficult to see how we are able to find individuals who have the skill, character and powers to enforce discipline on our criminals in fairly 'open' situations. I cant stop laughing. Washing off graffiti, and picking up litter, is hardly tough love. Complain about this comment (Comment number 43). The point about community Service is that we don't have enough prison places for the number of custodial sentences we already give out, so it is fairly pointless wanting to reduce them and make the prison situation even worse. ", Complain about this comment (Comment number 27). Complain about this comment (Comment number 84). Make it more personal. New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers Univ ersity Press. I think maybe a lot would stay in the forces. Free Work & ExploitationIn the days of Slavery and Apartheid field workers smoked weed. Complain about this comment (Comment number 95). Which of course should be a civil debt in the first place,you wouldn't be sent to jail for not paying your Sky subscription! Complain about this comment (Comment number 50). It does reduce re-offending and has a better success rate than the more expensive prison. there was a time when kids used to play 'kick the tin'in the twilight hours of autumn,an exciting time for kids before responding to the call for bedtime,that was then when days and nights were clad in cotton wool and people loved each other without any ill feeling or bawling the kids down because of their heaven sent happiness.If a kid makes a noise today,heaven is shut down,and all the tins are selected for recycling,and community service is marked up for down grading the local village and the green is seldom used to encourage young life to be happy.The mood of the nation is below the norm and if to play music is a paupers dream,and happy hour means the pub,what on earth has any kid done to deserve the harsh treatment of joining the chain gang? I offer this for comparison purposes only, I do not propose we adopt anything like these draconian measures, more to illustrate just how lucky our criminal fraternity are that they don't live in Burma! Some offenders may find community service is a deterrent, for some offenders a custodial sentence is more appropriate and for the other habitual 'career criminals' I guess nothing works.I have no issue with an offender wanting to be rehabilitated, but many of them don't.If community service helps young offenders feel part of the community and gives them work experience and pride in a job well done then it is worthwhile.If community service is seen by the offender as just an easy alternative to a custodial sentence then it isn't.Those that choose to break the cycle of reoffending and choose to be rehabilitated should be given every opportunity available. Complain about this comment (Comment number 49). After more than 100 days, the Tory/Libdem Government should have known as well. Drinking tea? About Ugur Nedim Ugur Nedim is an Accredited Specialist Criminal Lawyer and Principal at Sydney Criminal Lawyers®, Sydney’s Leading Firm of Criminal & Traffic Defence Lawyers. Watched to program, pretty much what we already knew. The evidence shows that community service is a "holiday camp" where offenders drink tea and smoke illegal drugs. Only by giving them some investment in a project will they learn how it feels if it is then vandalised, damaged or broken.Projects have to be worthy, and hard work. She wants the current system to be radically changed. Complain about this comment (Comment number 6). Nothing will ever change because the criminals rights seem to be more important than the victim. Off with their heads!------------Imagine if it had been a Skinny Late!Most of the time custodial and non custodial punishments don't work.Non custodial punishments combined with some form of victim confrontation do seem to have a more positive outcome and also benefit from being far cheaper than custodial sentencing.Worth remembering that the biggest reason for female imprisonment in the UK is for non payment of a fine relating to not having a TV licence. This means that large differences in the rates of offending can still only show a small percentage difference in the reoffending habits of those who received a CSO versus a good behaviour bond. No: We should re-introduce the stocks in town centres, rotten cabbage, tomatoes and flogging. Complain about this comment (Comment number 77). Your average criminal does not have a job and having to … I don't know as I only listen to media,government and the tabloid press....what is clear is that it costs a lot of cash to set up schemes and run them more than the country can afford..They should concentrate on exclusion practiced by government on benefit and jobs to see improvements in crime levels.No ansawer here so far? I was a CSV once, of my own volition, and it certainly wasn't easy. What makes people so sure that community sentencing works?Does it not occur to anyone that this system of punishment creates a link in the mind between doing work which benefits the community, and punishment? Punishment without walls: Community service sentences in New York City. "don't rightly know but the concept is good, better than imprisoning or fining people for petty offenses (like dropping litter) anyway.in the US of A they've had some success:"A year-long study of the first cohort that went through the programme, which was founded in Massachusetts in 1991, found that only 19% had reoffended compared with 42% in a control group. Community service has never been a punishment. Punishment is a medieval way of looking at crime.2 wrongs equal a right ?How can you rehabilitate - someone who dosent want to be rehabilitated?You provide them with a worthwhile goal, a goal which occupies body and soul.How do you provide this goal --- ? You obviously have access to a computer, you have a brain, and must have seen the evidence that harsher regimes do NOT deter. End of subject. Complain about this comment (Comment number 40). Find out about Community Payback and the rules of your community sentence. Just because they murdered someone in cold blood?? I thought it was a bit stupid that they were washing cars as a community service as this is normally something that generates money for car wash owners in the private sector. Second offence straight to prison. I have a friend who was in Channings Wood prison and who used to 'shop' from an Argos catalogue from his cell. Complain about this comment (Comment number 66). Much more imagination needs to be used in punishment for the rest. A series of public opinion polls, commissioned by the Prison Many of the conditions required for punishment to be effective will not exist in any justice system. It seems to me, and correct me if I am wrong - but community service is designed as a form of punishment which entails, predominately unemployed petty criminals, being forced to do essential or useful work for the community - to teach them a lesson,and as a negative consequence of their actions in breaking a law! Jail should be the penultimate deterrent, the sort of place that even the hardest of hard men never want to go back to and not a Holiday Inn witha fence. Prisoners prefer to do a short stretch behind bars than complete a community sentence because they consider it less of a punishment, according … Not only that, according to an Australian Institute of Criminology study, community service is far more economical than imprisonment, which is very expensive. How does it compare to sending people to prison? A relative of mine was involved in running the "short sharp shock" program tried by the Tories in the early 80's. The message we need to get across is that crime is an offence against society and will be punished by visible loss of status in society, not by being hidden away in prison. May be she should serve time in jail under an undercover name and find out for her self what happens to her sexually there. Complain about this comment (Comment number 9). At 01:09am on 03 Sep 2010, devilzadvacate1 Why thanks for agreeing with my rational approach! Complain about this comment (Comment number 18), The penal system is a joke, not just community service.Prisoners rights bill??? Complain about this comment (Comment number 67), Well clearly if this and similar reports are anything to go by, it does not work.Perhaps we should look at building more prisons and using longer sentences, abolish early release and bring back whole life sentences.Rehabilitation should be done in the last few months of a prisoners release, and then once released you can tag them and have them do community service.And in the sprit of human rights, punish motoring offenders, poll tax and t.v licence offenders with community service, after all, they are not the mad dogs people think they are, and deserve a chance at rehabilitation, Complain about this comment (Comment number 68). And where does life begin if not in the heart and mind of a kid in the street? Complain about this comment (Comment number 48). Your average criminal does not have a job and having to actaully do a days work is a punishment to them. 1. reducing unnecessary imprisonment and promoting community solutions to crime 2. improving treatment and conditions for prisoners and their families We welcome the opportunity to respond to the consultation, Punishment and reform: effective community sentences. He's serving his community service in a town charity shop, from what I understand how he performs is completly up to the person signing his community service forms. Pussy-footing around with trendy liberal ideals won't wash. Thank you for your comments. I see we have the standard short sharp shock merchants.Please remember this has been tried before.In the 1980's under the Tories, Willie Whitelaw wanted to make life uncomfortable for young offenders. The pictures were filmed by ITV1's Tonight programme and have led to the government's victims' commissioner, Louise Casey, saying that it is "disgraceful". The Combination Order (combining probation and community service) was introduced in the 1991 C riminal Justice Act, with a probation element of 12 months to three years, and community service element of 40 to 100 hours. "The young people who I come across in my life doing this, seem a very nice bunch, but you get a few bad ones'? Those who are given CSOs were found to have a slightly lower rate of reoffending than those who received given a bond – yet more than six times the amount of people received bonds than CSOs. ‘Payback’, which was launched alongside Sir David Ramsbotham, the chief inspector of prisons, as they tried to persuade the public that non-custodial sentences can save money and benefit local environments. As someone who was once required to serve CS (back in my younger, more impressionable years), I personally found it helped keep me to see the benefits of doing something constructive in life.So those people in the documentary were drinking tea and smoking a bit of ganja, everyone is entitled to a tea break at some point, they're not slaves, they're not really committing any major crime either. There should be a bank of people on community service where say an elderly person can call and get someone round to fix the garden for example. Community service orders (CSOs) are available for both State and Commonwealth criminal offences. Why should drinking tea and smoking pot mean that community service is too easy? Community service is only seen as a ticket to escape imprisonment. Why do those subscribing to the Daily Mail world view not recognise that prison does not work? Yes the current confrontational system will create polarisation not intergration...Polarisation as with many other conflicts in the world will empty the taxpayers pockets before any good will come of community service.They sound desperate? 15 - That doesn't answer my question.Regardless of the crime rates, why shouldn't imprisonment be a more basic and harsh regime?Do you think that anyone in prison says to themselves "well I was going to lead an honest life but as they didn't give, me a playstation I'll go on a crime spree when I get out of here"? Chewing gum and graffiti removal. They will always make things out to be the worst they can. Complain about this comment (Comment number 81), Re post 78Chris - you're spot on. Complain about this comment (Comment number 91). Unlike now where they have a TV games console, internet etc.Prison should be a punishment and not the cushy number it is now, Complain about this comment (Comment number 19). Complain about this comment (Comment number 54). For certain categories of crimes and certain categories of offenders, especially young offenders and first-time offenders, community service would be appropriate," Akila says. We must own a remote island somewhere with a couple of quarries and a uranium mine or similar ? Complain about this comment (Comment number 78). Society needs to get serious with criminal behaviour and deal with it as a crime not as a cry for help by a few misguided children.What is a suitable sentence or punishment? Justice Secretary, Ken Clarke MP QC., now responsible, should find the stats and publish what 'Community Service' has achieved over the last five years perhaps?If Ken Clarke's only brief is to cut prison admissions - then that will certainly be a distorted stat for the next election?In conclusion, if the Justice Secretary Ken Clarke wishes to maintain credibility - then he must explain and provide clear evidence of his current views of reducing prision admissions, plus, his evidence that offender community service works for the offenders and their victims? If it was up to me it would be far more of a punishment but one has to remember their human rights. Complain about this comment (Comment number 63). Dear god. “Community punishments are effective – often more effective than short prison sentence. Washing off graffiti, litter etc and Sunday morning broken glass clear up a boot camp, by... 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